Well nomercy, as you said in the other post you have big bores on the brain and you have a right to your opinion. However, at least acknowledge the fact that the 9mm ammo the FBI used in that shootout in the late 80s was very much different from the high quality ammo that is available for the 9mm today. Some of the +P 9mm ballistics rival those of your beloved 230 grain flying ashtray. Concealed carry sort of comes down to a compromise and personally, I will opt for a more controlable cartridge/firearm combination.