that bullet was under the hide on the opposite side ,it went thru both shoulders on a 180lb buck . the shot was about 80yds. most people that i see having problems are shooting 120-150grns ,thats just to much powder behind a powerbelt.these copper bullets really don't have a jacket,its just plating,so theywill come apart at high velocities .i'm not a believer in 150grns in any ML ,most guns don't group as well at higher velocities anyway. i also think that around 300grn bullets work a lot better then the light ones do. i say shoot heavier bullets and knock them down. we have all found that the hp 295 tends to group just alittle better then the aerotip. i buy the aerotips a walmart on sale and pop out the tips. they are the same bullets. thebullet in pic's abovewas shot in my cva magbolt with 100grns of 777 pellets and win 209pr. i have recovered one this year that was shot in my new triiumph that looked about the same ,only the deer was shot facing me the bullet went all the way thru the deer and layed under the hide on his hind quarter.

oh, most deer that i have shot have not gone very far ,i can't think of one that went over 50yds and i've seen alot drop in there tracks.