I got a kimber 8400 this year and I love it. I have never spoken to anyone who really ownes a kimber who doesn't like it. I have rems and they are good rifles. No complaints on them. In my HMO the kimber is really a step up. Ask a reputable gunsmith/ dealer which they wouldchoose if theyhad to choose between the remington and the kimberand they will comfirm the kimber. The people I hear bashing kimbers are people who dont have one. (rifle envy is a terrible thing)