On October 24th I rattled in a nice 8 point (136" net green scored) Here's how it worked out for me- I lightly hit the antlers together like it was a good sparing match and I slowly picked up the pace a bit and got more aggresive as I went. I did this for about 2 to 3 minutes and then stoped and waited for about 3 minutes. I did this same sequense 2 more times exactly like the first time. I never grunted the whole time. 20 minutes after I rattled the last time I heard some branches braking or something, i wasn't sure what it was. I then seen a small group of saplings that had 3 of them or so growing together side by side getting thrashed by this buck about 60 yards from me. After he quit beating on them he walked directly under my stand to see where these 2 bucks were that he thought were fighting, I fooled him! I passed him up the 1st time thinking he wouldn't make P@Y (Little did I know) but then later figured he was close enough to books and shot him, he went 50 yards and died!