Yeah the elk hunting by the reserve in clockum is too chaotic for me. Thats why I hunt on the otherside down below less elk but also less hunters. I did drive by the reserve onec during this past season and saw a spike stand ing on the reserve about 75 yards off the road so I shot him with my camera. I also saw a spike where I was hunting but he was to far away to take an ethical shot but there were ppl down delow me on the road leaning over the hood of their truck taking thousand yard shots which really pissed me off. Its getting hectic everywhere elk hunting. I did draw a cow tag last year though and got one in december with the malaga tag.