frontier, thanks for the write-up on PBs. They shoot well out of my gun, and are a little less expensive than some of the saboted bullets (the ones i've tried wont fit anyways). I really wouldn't mind hearing your opinion on shooting PBs through shoulders though. From the horror stories, I'm skeptical on how well they'd perform shooting through shoulders (love the picture of that muley doe)and the odds of getting a complete pass-through. I need a blood trail, as I'll admit I'm a poor tracker. Once again, I really appreciate the writeup and you sharing your experiences with these projectiles.