i have been using the 385 gr. in my 12 gauge since 01 and it has performed great. my wife just started this year and her 20 gauge uses the 260 and she gave one an azz kickin with it went thru both shoulder no problem really made a mess of the lungs i was really suprised that such a small dia. bullet would leavesuch big entry and exit holes. cant wait till doe season to try them out in my omega...