It is definately not Black Mag'3 as you can ignite BM3 with a #11 primer. In fact the ignition temperature of BM3 is the closest to real black powder of all the current substitute powders (won't work consistently in a flinter however). I will see if my contact at Magkor has anything to add to what we are reading. I doubt they welcome the competition. IfBlackhorn 209 can keep the price down it will really make a major impact I think. That isone of the big problems with ascorbic acid powders; they tend to be expensive.