i dont know how many of you have actually hunted elkand i dont know what the normal shot in west central colorado would be, im a firm beleiver in good shot placement is all you need. you guys seem to meextreamly outgunned using .416 and .375 for long rang elk. you dont nessciarly need to make what is inside become outside. a high velocity 6mm-.25 or larger placed in the right spot will do the job more times than not. the .35and larger do not have the range to shoot at that distance.