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Old 02-25-2003 | 09:19 PM
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Default RE: Patriot Dually Let Down

mshane, I know you, and I know you ARE NOT bashing BowTech.......
You really need to understand that something is VERY fishy about the numbers you got.

1. You stated you took you SQ2 along and set your Patriot up EXACTLY the same.
You now are saying that you originally shot the Patriot right out of the box? Am I to assume that you also only have a single brass nock and Hush Kit on your SQ2?
In your first post you stated that the 1st thing you did was ad " THINGS" to the string to make it " Just Like your SQ2" and then went to test shoot it?
Which is it?
If yo stick with your original post the 298 number is very possible........if you are now taking that back and saying you shot it right out of the box, you might have a problem. These are 2 very different scenarios and can change the tone of the entire post

Did you guys carefully check cam synchronization? Just because it' s new doesn' t necessarily mean the cams are synch' d. Physically watch and feel both cams to see if they roll over at precisely the same time. If they aren' t say Bye bye to speed in a hurry.[]



2. EVEN IF your bow is truly 12fps slower than stated " Right out of the box" .........what you described with the 28" vs. 29" is STILL not possible by the laws of physics. THINK ABOUT IT.

28" /300gr/61.5#/298fps= 59ft lbs of KE
29" /360gr/61.5#/276fps=61ft lbs of KE

I have never heard of a bow that will shoot the same energy level (which is what this amounts to) by raising the power stroke a full 1" and at the same time raising arrow weight by 60grs.
Is a light bulb not going on yet?.........that can' t happen.

Please understand that this isn' t an attack......you are a valued member here and I know you " Saw" what you saw. But trust me there is a piece of this story missing, and its an important one.
I don' t know if you got to read my second post on Eders or not, but this is a prime case of why these internet forums can be a dangerous thing.
A simple off the cuff review can be interpreted by many who are coming here for information as gospel........Many people could come to this topic and read no farther than your first post and come to the conclusion " Bowtech isn' t this, and BowTech isn' t doing that I' m staying away" ........and then they tell everyone they know.
This kind of thing can seriously hurt a manufacturer, and its not just BowTech, it can and does happen with all manufacturers. Half truths are a very dangerous thing, and posting a " Review" good or bad without a complete grasp of the numbers and an understanding of what they mean doesn' t do anyone any good.

I' m not saying that there ISN' T something wrong with your particular bow........but based upon your initial " facts" such as string set-up etc. I think not.......and it still does not remove the discrepancy between the 28" and 29" set-ups.

If you are going to post results based upon numbers, you must be precise......." About" isn' t acceptable in an evaluation.
I think you need some double checking, using a calculator, grain scale, chrono, and EXACT measurements for draw length and weight.

I' m trying to help you , AND me understand what is going on at the same time so please don' t take offense to these posts.

I' m not trying to compare my bow and yours.......but I can tell you this about my Dually Pat......it shoots as advertised.
30 1/8" measured/70# measured with a 375gr arrow. Loop and SIMS Leeches.
=319fps
If I were to strip the string bare, and move to a 350 gr arrow 330' s would be attained rather easily.

I do know one thing for sure......even with the screwy numbers BowTech is overnighting you a replacement bow to help you so that says something right there about them.
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