Yeah had no luck with rages either, shot the same deer twice on different ocassions with same result. Shoulder on the first one, my bad any shoulder hit sucks but I have had no problem with muzzys passing through on shoulder hits. And the second time I hit rib and shoulder when he was 1/4 away and he smiled at me both times as he ran off. I shot a 70 pound bowtech tribute with 300 grain arrows and 100 grain rage two broadhead. He is still chasing does on our farm, but he won't get shot by me anymore with a bow because I took myself out of the woods. He is about five years old now and have sheds from the last two years of him and last years sheds scored in the high 140's but that is takinga 16 inch spread.