rks1949, they are to loose to shoot good in my Omega to but when my Triumph was to tight for the MMP-HPH24 I tried them and they are snug but will load smooth and shoot better than the ones that are to tight. they are the only sabot I have found that will shoot groups in the 3/4 to 1.5 inch group range with it the thicher sabots are impossable and the HPH24 are real close to pound down. Lee