LOL you right on that. But some of their tinkering has comeup with some good ideas. But for me, how do you really improve on an Excalibur Crossbow (coming from one that uses an almost 25 year old crossbow "Relayer" as it was delivered from Bill & Kath). Just too bad that they like to bicker and attack on that site. Other than that it is a great site to learn things about crossbows. Other thenmy answering PM's, I can't remember the last time I was over there.