Our best rut stand the last few years is in a lone tree in the middle of a grown up secluded field. My dad sawseven bucks in a few hours one day last year. He arrowed a very big9 point there. My brothers and I were in the woods and saw nothing. It was on the next to the last day of the archery season, around November 12, I believe.
Another hint is that when the does are getting chased, they like open woods, so that they don't feel trapped by all the bucks chasing them.
Find a major trail in open woods or grown up fields.