I ordered the 12 ga felt wads (dry) from the Possibles Shop out of Radium Springs New Mexico. While patterning, I tried various combinations. My best, 80 grains Trip 7 FFg over SHOT card, 2 dry felt wads, 90 grains (volumetrically) #5 shot. At 30 yards I was sifting a turkeyhead target, w/ improved cylinder choke.