Yea I know they are expensive. I had a few left over from last year I was using in my Traditions. I'm going to buy another pack for hunting this year. And yes, I bought the XTP's in a pack. That's what I told my dad. The sabots where too thick. Since I'm sighted already with the Shockwaves, that's what I'll use this year. Then I'll try and get the bullet / sabot combo right and try out the XTP's in the spring. Thanks for the info. I appreciate it.

chris