I frequently see a very nice mature 4pt buck. (2 points per side) And everytime I just wish I could take the shot. He has got to be at least 4-5 years old now. I have seen him the past 3 years and his rack just gets more and more mass but never more points. His body is huge. I might even go as far to say he is the biggested bodied PA deer I have ever seen in person. But again, each and every time I just have to smile and hope he's not passing on those genes.