ok i dont think someof you are understanding me. dont get me wrong I LOVE THE AR PA HAS ADOPTED! and i dont hunt for horns. let me put it to you this way, say your in your stand and a2 1/2 y.o.8 point with a 18 inch spread we'll say he scores 125walks by with this mature buck behind it 6 points, 18 wide real tall: which would you rather shoot? the 6, not because of the rack but because it is a mature deer right? but you cant. we are forced to shoot the immature buck instead. and in a sense we are forced to hunt for horns. i understand the quality of the pa deer has gone way way up. im not saying i want them to change the AR all im saying is it would be nice if there could be something else to go with it. or somehow make it possible to shoot mature deer even if they dont have 4 on one side.