tbrunson-- I was at the top of parleys skirting the private property. I used to live in Jeremy Ranch and know the area quite well. I have had good luck with the land owners for hiking and such but they dont even want me to look at it during the hunt. I seen a couple of nice bulls two weeks ago. I heard (but not confirmed) that on Saturday three bulls were shot on private property and that the sheriff was investigating. I have always seen elk above Kamas during the deer hunt, but never hunted elk there. My deer hunt is in Idaho, if you have any suggestions let me know.