The only deer I've killed was a spike buck with a bow at 12yds. I carried my shotgun with slugs last Sunday and watched a doe and two yearlings eat for almost an hour 35yds from another stand. I had the shotgun because I didn't feel my bow was sighted in good enough at 35 more yds to make a clean kill. I passed on the doe then because I just didn't feel like shooting her.Earlier today I sighted in my bow for that stand in particular. If she'd stepped out tonight I may have taken her. I think just being within yards of them is as much a rush as shooting one.