man them seem like good deals...only thing my parents wont let me do a deal like that...nothing person to person over the net...i probally couldnt even get a bow from ebay..my dad will say goto the proshop...i know i can save tons of money...thanx for the offers...i mentioned brownings because i was told on here that they have some of the best package bows and the bows are decint...im open for any recompendations still....thanx also i am 16 in less than a month..but im built bigger than some adults...210lbs 5' 9" or 10..i power lift for fun to blow some steam daily after school..draw weight is not much of an issue and size isnt either..im not sure what draw legnth my friends is i think 30 an it was about an inch to long for me..and was set at 70lbs and it wasnt hard to draw at all...gives you an idea of me and i dont need a kids bow...i have a few months before i buy one so i would love recomendations...i got to get a job when i turn 16 and then save the money and the first thing is boots for spring gobbler than the bow....thanx