DoninVa, I agree with you 100% Here in NH they don' t let you pass and they (The Holly Ones) are sometime three or four groups together. Club staff never say anything to these guys because of the money they bring it to the club. It' s crazy! My wife and I both backed off of going to 3D shoots for two main reasons. First would be the guys you described on the first post, Second is because of how far they stretch out each target. They say their with in the rules but come on, a sitting fox or groundhog at 45+. The shoots we did go to we stayed within the shooting lanes but not near any stakes. You should have heard the crys that day even though we " donated" there were people upset that we cheating and keeping them from getting a trophy. It' s not about hunting anymore and that' s a shame.