I must make myself clear, I grew up hunting in Pa., we had some pretty harsh winters, and low populations in my area, I spent most of my time out rambling around the woods instead of on the gameboy!. What I saw every winter for the most partwas older deer dead from sickness, what I learned then was if you take the young out of the heard and the older die off from sickness, just what are you going to have in the future!, that is why hunting sucked in Pa thirtyfive years ago. Also, if you use the overpopulation as an excuse, someone already made the comment about older doe breading twins and younger only haveing one offspring, well use some common sence, three taken out of the heard takes more out than two!!!. I also posted that durring the early part of the season I just target the doe without fawns, well if she isnt able to breed for any particular reason she needs to come out of the heard, later in the season is when I target does in general when their offspring are old enough to make it in the not so harsh winters down here in Ga. You can make any argument you want, when it comes down to it, the future of your hunt will tell if you made the right desission or not!, my area, were for most of the hunters practice this, our numbers are pretty good, and we have healthier deer, so this is a practice Ill stick with for now!!!, there is a science to management not just killing numbers!!.