Bigcountry,I realize you and others may think I try to push my opinions off on others but I'm really just sharing experiences good and bad. If it helps anybody to avoid making the same mistakes as you,I,and countless others have endured,then we have done something useful. That's just 1 reason(among many) that I like to test all the different products coming out on market. I'm sure we all can look back in our bowhunting careers and get some laffs over equipment/info/skill errors that resulted in missed shots or even missed the game coming within good shot range.