Englum06, he wasnt literally telling you to stop talking, what he is saying is, its becoming very obvious that yours and our points have both been illustrated very well at this point, that theres nothing much left to debate here. Most of us here who are taxidermists ourselves do not wish to comment on other taxidermists work, nor are we interested in posting other pics to show differences. The bottom line in any taxidermy shop is simple...that the customer walks out happy with what he had done. Just as you couldnt talk these guys into what you believe if they dont, my customers, for example, couldnt get you to my studio either. The system works just fine, we hope everyone is happy and has a head on the wall.