thanks...for the info guys...i'm not too big of a guy... only in the midsection, but i'm just not comfortable using a handclimber anymore...i find it annoying...thats why i'm considering and sit and climb. lone wolf looks like one of the few stands that folds flat and the seat flips up for when u want to take a shot. I get very nervous being in a treestand even with a harness on but i hunt anyway and i want to feel secure.