I have to agree with Doc on this one. Show Dogs I would shy away from as I like to hunt with the Irish Setters and the show people have all but distroyed the breed. Field Lines ( hunting lines ) is all that myself would ever be interested in. All you have to do is ask around and talk to folks you know and they will say that the irish setter is a stupid breed of dog. That is what the show people made a lot of them out to be. But, when dealing with the field lines you would be hard pressed to find a stupid one... Good Luck to you..