I know what I want in a stand and lone wolf has it. I haven't used one but based on the workmanship and the material used and having seen them up close, the next oneI buy will be a lone wolf unless something better comes along. I don't care for theprice or the fact that they don't come with the beltsof a decent size right out of the box. As a matter of fact, lone wolf if your listening, I'm insulted that youwould make me buy the bigger belts seperate. Understand also that you will get nothing praise worthy after the sale. You want a few bucks, you got it. As far as I see things you would be better off stopping this practise for some good pr, but that's just me.