Kelly, take 3 of your arrows over to Jeff's(pine grove) and have them cut down some, that will make them stiffer. You are shooting 29 inch arrows with a 28 inch draw and muzzy rest (over draw). You have plenty of room to play with I am sure. Did you see the arrows I was shooting thursday? These suckers are only 22 1/2 inches long! They fly like darts any way especially at 20 yards. All my misses were from me getting slap happy with the trigger or freezing below the target or in most cases both!

How did you and Paul shoot with those cabela's arrows? He put some of them on the arrow spinner and they were pretty whacked for the most part. May not make much difference indoors, but I would be leary to screw a fixed head on one.

Also consider your arrows overall, I don't think it is the arrows myself, but I haven't seen any of the guys shooting in the 590's using 50 dollars carbon arrows. Like I said, it probably has nothing to do with the arrows, but they are cheap for a reason. They are probably not that consistant from arrow to arrow. I would suggest that if you want cheap arrows go to aluminums, they are much better arrows for the money, at least from a quality stand point. Just my opinion on that one though.

If I had to guess I would say most of it boils down to shooting a short fast aggressive cammed bow with an overdraw on it, shooting a triggered type release. Let's be honest, that's not the most forgiving set up you can have for target shooting. Not that it can't be done, it just would take great form and lot's of practice. I would be willing bet most peoples problems stem from some sort of form problem, or some form of target panic. I know Alan tried to shoot last week with a Proline Mountain 30 like Jeff shoots, and he didn't do very well compared to his target bow. Could have been in his head too, archery is a very mental sport I have discovered.

Keep plugging at it and remember to have fun. Most of us are there to goof off and fling some arrows around. I don't even look at the scores most of the time. If you start getting stressed out and worried about it, then it won't be fun anymore. What is the point in that? If you wanted to be stressed out you could work more hours, or stay home with the family, right.

Try cutting a few arrows down though to make them stiffer and see what happens. Maybe Tony could tell you what length would make them spine right. As long they are not so short they draw past the rest they will work fine. You have an overdraw type rest, you might as well use it right, that's what I did. Turning down your draw weight wouldn't hurt either. It might make that draw curve seem a little smoother and be easier to shoot. You don't need the speed and Ke to kill a vegas target<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>.

Good luck and see you thurs

Paul