mike will help with about anything. he's a real good guy, or he has always been to me. wc uses a little different technique now w/ xcoat - they use to use thread. i don't want to say exactly how they do it, or i may have to explain to someone how i know LOL.i think my way is better, which its similar to mike's and VT's, but i've evolved it to be a bit different than either of theirs.