Thanks for the help. Your right those are sneaky leaves. Must not be very many on the market. Well, the whole suit is done up and it 'looks' pretty good. This was an attempt to save money but if I'm just gonna lose the leaves anyway, looks like it won't work. I'm probably gonna do some coyote hunting here soon, I'll give 'em a try and something that's not as important to me as deer season and see how the leaves act. As of now, I have not hunted on any terrain that would come even close to being rough enough to pull these things off, just not crowded enough brush, etc. But like I said, I'm moving. We'll see what happens.