I'm not trying to stir up the bucket here . But Mmy savage 308 is 1-12 and my 3006 clocks on cleaning rod at 1-8.5 maybe 1 was a spec order . the 308 won't shoot 180s. the 06 doesnt shoot anything well over 2650 fps . spent $200 on factories 25 on lc42 hours at the range scope, mounts etc handloaded 50.3 4350 cci large rifle hornady 3033 cover 10 with a sivler dollar ,cast bullets exit in a cloud a 2100.