To comment on user06's question.I'm the one that passed on info.to him(we're hunting buddies)concerning the "too hot 209's moving the bullet off the charge theory".I have been reading this over the last year or so and decided to find out for myself.I'm shooting a scoped (3x9 nikon).50Omega, JB'dw/shimmed lug pockets,this floated it nicely.Loaded w/.452 gold dots(thx sabotloader)in hp12 mmp sabots on top of 110 gr.pyrodex pellets,and winchester 209's.Have used this combo for two years now and have been extremely pleased with accuracy and deer results.Consistant 1 1/2"@100 and bang flop game result.Decided to try the Vari-flame primer just the other day w/cci440 sm.rifle primers..Cleanedbore of Sheathw/windex/91% alchahol.Fired two 209's to foul and loaded my usual load.Off Rock Rest and bags got my normal 3 shot 1 1/2"grp.I clean between rounds, one damp stuttered down,turned over,down again,then two dry patched.Allow to cool 20 MIN.,use spin jag.Loaded same load w/variflame.WOW,GROUP WENT TO7/8".user06 saw the results.Did this back and forth with same basic results for 7 cycles.I'm convincedMY GUNlikes the vari-flame.Only concern is cold weather ignition.But can revert to 209's then.Sub 2" is notBRprinting but for hunting will probably be ok.Gonna try the 25acp next for grins. hunt4me