Dnk, wouldn't do any good to spank as the parents are just white trash. ashucks thanks but i hope to come over this fall and hunt with you and set myself in yer stand! I do have one ladder stand, thats it to use. i have my camo chair folding type and those i will use. I will watch the wind and shower right before i hunt. Such is life and all theives should be hung and shot and tarred and then burned. Or any order of that combo you prefer![:@]