With the ball-ets, about the same as with a roundball. With open sights, I am not real consistent in my groups. One day I might shoot a 2" and the next day we do not want to discuss when shooting long distances. I have even clover leafed them twice in my life with open sights at 100 yards. Talk about happy. Normally with roundball or ball-ets if I shoot a 3" I am tickled to death. If I shoot a 5" it gives me incentive to shoot more. Normally I will shoot between a 3-4" group with open sights and ball-ets. These people that consistantlyshoot these 1-2" tight groups with open sights at 100 yards, I envy.

When I get any rifle with a slow twist, I basically purchase it knowing that it will be a roundball rifle...