LAbushman, your post seems to indicate that your gun rest is mounted on your front rack, it needs to be mounted ON your handlebars, then your gun won't collect mud. Dep214, I am not misinformed, I know how the kolpin system mounts. The gun case may not stick out to the side of the atv, but it still does stick up and around here it will catch on something before long. The woods we hunt are unbelievably thick and we take the atv's through most of them. I've ripped two gun racks off of my atv already, that kolpin system wouldn't last for a week.