as the first stand u posted goes... id say if u buy it you wont like it an it will turn you offon hang ons cause of one bad stand...(i have that one bad hangon) but i love my other ones... i understand where you comin from with lookin for a "cheap" treestand.... but... get a good one it will last you for 5-6-7-8 years? maybe moredepends on how you are with your equipment... plus you will be in this thing 20-30 feet in a tree. u really wanna a cheaper stand that high in a tree... saftey........ sence this is your first time out of a tree id go with the climber... lil more piece of mind for first time in a tree ....plus u can fall asleep an not fall out