Ta da u herd it here folks[8D]! Unless you have a severe need fer speed and like carbons the awshuck specials from Miller is the way to go. Now hear this if'en y'all like alum. 2216's are good all around. I shoot alum.'s totally, 3-D shoots 2213's 355 gr. deer and general hunting i use 2216's. Fer big and tough game Elk, Hogs Moose i use 2219's! There u have in a nut shell straight from the peanut gallery!