well i'd like a backup for the bear element and i had wanted a Reflex super slam or buckskin but never found a good deal on them either, heck basspro still aint marked their 06 models down. and the 07 reflex lineup is really pricey too, seems they followed the parent company with pricing. if i get a hoyt/reflex model i want one with the tec-riser and its hard to find anyone witha good price.