okay i wasnt sure if that was just the limbs or bow model. i'm not too hoyt informed. i wanted one last year but never found a good deal ona lazertec or powertec and when i found out about the 07 hoyts they lost my business. priced themselves waaaay out of what i am willing to pay. i know if i had money out my hind end i would pay 7-800 without question but i dont. i dont care to pay that for a firearm, but a bow that will not be around in 50 years within reason, i'm not payin over $400. Hence my decision on the ol' Bear Element. I thought that might have been a decent deal for the Hoyt, everyone around here acts like its made of solid gold and near priceless which i guess is just from the name on the limbs.