I hunt in a few thousand acres of highly pressured public land. Are the mature deer there, ya, there are some. But the problem by me is the "It's Brown, it's Down" philosophy. Don't get me wrong, I'm not picky either, but it is hard to find mature deer because of that. I've started going off of the beaten path and started hunting these small patches that everyone overlooks, and what do ya know, I found signs of Mature deer. So they're there, hard to find, hard to kill, but they're still there. Just have to find their hideout.