I gotta agree with the post on the 870's and 1100's. I have several of each from the 60's and 70's and they areabout as solid a piece as u could ever hope to buy. Fit and finish are flawless..beautiful guns! You sure cant buy anything that looks like them now from Remington. They probably function as well but appearance and value wise they wouldnt be close. I have one 870 in particular that has been hunted with every year for over 40 years...still looks and functions like a new one.