How many 870s do you own markly? I ownfour of them, made from the 1970s, 80s and 90s. You cannot sit there and tell me that a BRAND NEW IN THE BOX 870 EXPRESS is a higher quality gun than an original 70s-80s Wingmaster. The quality on Remington shotguns has gone absolutely in the crapper. I picked up two different semi autos at BPS last time I was there, one of the new 1100 G3s and a 105. Both had crooked ribs, the 1100 was kicked to the right in the back almost a 1/4". How in the heck does Rem expect someone to pay $1000 for that thing when the older, and better made, models are selling used for under $450 all day long? Do you know why it has gone to pot..? Around 2003 or so, Remington stopped letting men build their guns, and started letting machines do it. Well, I would submit that those machines are still having the kinks ironed out of them.