im not gonna go w/ .204 or .243 because of expensive ammo and around my area those kinda guns cost 600 and up ingood shootingcondition. .17HMR shooters, can u beat 2 1/2" groups at 100-150 yards because the .22 mag i am looking at can do that well and at 100 yards you only have to aim 3/4" high sighted at 50yds which is pretty good w/ ballistic tips. also, i am shooting at long ranges and need enough energy to take down a coyote, and the best .17HMR bullet at 150yds only has 97fpe against the .22 mag's bestbullet 151fpe at 150yds. and most shots i will be taking will be at 100+ yds. prices of bullets aren't much different. only about 1 dollar at the most and if it is worht spending a few extra centson a good bullet then im for it. the .22 mag im looking at is a savage which is the gun im talking about that has 2 1/2" groups at 100-150yds. also, i have a friend who owns a .17HMR and if he shoots five1/16"metal plates behind each other at 75 and less yards the bullet blows up. im not looking for speed but energy and accuracy. i also want to keep the fur so im not sticking w/ big bullets.