Thanks for the reply, I feel the same way. I did not start to hunt until I was 13 so I started with a 12 gauge. I have a very mature, in size and behavior, 7 year old and he really handles the 410 good, we will try the 20 gauge this weekend and I do want him to use it instead of the .410. Again thanks to everyone and Mouthcaller, I do not think you came off at all like a know it all and I appreciate the input. My son is in the 2nd grade and I bring his shoes and clothes to my school and give them to 3rd and 4th graders. My school is a very low income school. Thanks again