Pglasgow

Hang on - did not mean to light a fire... but you can walk into your local Wal-mart and buy 30-30 amunition with those velocities... lots of other places also. I did not make it up they are available...

The 30-30/250 comparison was meant to be a general comparison. It did not compare the hottest 30-30 load nor did it compare the hottest ML 250 load either... It was meant to be a GENERAL comparison. Not everyone shoots 150 grain ML load in fact I would say there are more people shooting the reduced loads than the 150 grain loads...

Next read the book - the .308 150 grain FP (flat point)as listed in the Speer catalog has a BC .268 Sec Density of .228 so what the heck is your complaint???

Furtherif I compare the hottest 30-30 to the hottest non-smokeless 50 cal 250 grain ML load it is not going to get any better. If you want to compare it the the Ultimate ML or the smakeless Savage that is different story - but even then, if I were hunting for necessity and the guns were equipped equally the 30-30 is going to be the better choice... especially with the newer loads that are available. If I were to choose a weapon for recreational hunting I am hooked on the ML - so I would choose to give up the advantages of the 30-30... and even then the 32 Winchester is superior to both of them...

Gosh!