Yeah npaden, ur right to call me out there... i was thinkin softball but typed golf instead... mybad... Honestly, I doubt I could probably hit a baseball at 300 yds dependably, especially from field positions... I'm at work and my attention is splite between 7-8 things at the moment so I'm kinda scattered and didnt finish my point... I was just mainly trying to make a point that you can't guarantee a bang-flop, and that extreme accuracy is about the only chance of getting close...

The only way to garantee a bangflop is direct interuption of the Central Nervous System... which makes for a very small and improbable kill zone at 300 yds... This is regardless of how much noise, or how much kick your rifle makes....


Havn't made it down there yet.... would like to, sounds like they have a nice facility...

I actually havn't recreationally shot(aka practiced) in years... after I moved out on my own, my dad fell on hard times and had to sell my beloved Remington 788 in .308(much to my dismay) and my old Mossberg .243... both were 1/2 MOA shooters at teh bench all day long.... So now I'm starting over with a cheap singleshot I put on layaway a few weeks ago....

Valid point skeeter... but I'd still take a familiar .308 loaded with 180 Gr premiums after elk and especially giant northern whitetail... it's not that far behind the .30-06 ballistically... not sure about moose don't know much about 'em... Surely if someone can take one with archery tackle a .308 wouldnt be considered subpar....

Someone well versed at handling a firearm is different from a new shooter. New Shooters most especially should not pick up magnums... thats a good way to develop a nearly irreversible flinch... I'm not saying no one should mess with Magnums... just that they're unnecessary, and pose potential problems for those with little experience with big-boomers...