You may remember that I posted some results about shooting 3.5" Hevi-Shot 13's #5 shot out of my remington 870 SPS-T Thumbhole gun with a Primos Jelly Head choke and the pattern was aweful from 40 yards away. I went out the following weekend and shot the federal flight control 3.5" #5 shot and the Winchester Supreme 3.5" #5 shot. Both patterend much, much better than the Hevi Shot and I would have to name the Federal's the winner. They seem to be a more tighter pattern than even the Winchesters Superems. I even tried them out at 50 yards and was getting five or six pellets in the brain / spinal cord area. I plan on posting the results on a new thread, just haven't gotten around to it.