You can get Mossberg 500s' all day long here for 199.00+ tax. The 835 is awsome but, who really needs 3.5s' unless you are stretching the range on ducks or geese? Plus that 3.5 incher stomps you as bad or worse than a 10ga. Another plus for the 500 is, if some time down the road you want a rifled slug or muzzleloader barel. They make them for the 500. But no muzzelloader barrels for the 835 or 870. Each barrel is about 150 orless a pop.