Zen, though I agree with some of your coments I think your dead wrong about guides and outfitters. Think about it, some places you can't even go without one like Sask, Labrador, Africa, and in my case anupcoming hunt to theWyomings Bighorn mountains (I can only hunt in the lower elevations due to restrictions)on and on ect....ect...ect. Also, do you really want some of these yahoo's that have never been in the mountain regions attempting to go it on there own? I think not. Besides it also creates an industry in areas where there isn't allot of work for people. Last year I had to go with an outfitter/guide on an antelope hunt because I failed to draw a permit on ado it yourselfer. I got denied2 times so when I talked to someone they told me of an outfitter that had 100% draw in the guides area so I went. But before you judge me it was because I had everything booked to go unguided such as plane, time off work, time away from my family, time away from my taxidermy business and so on. I think you see rich people paying for the animal and not really the hunt and it makes you sour. Well what about the hunter who sleeps in a outpost camp for 7 days in sub degree tempsand glasses valleys right along side his guide onlyto see the bull before the guide does? Is that not hunting? I can see you have been watching to much TVas not allguided hunts are like that.